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RE: Soon come Superstars. - DasBill - 15-11-09

Well the fact i hadnt noticed shows that if you wanted a shoe to be all about london, that maybe you chose the wrong point to focus on?
If you had stuck a cityscape or something else stenciled in that blue and put the plaque in the 3M material, i know id like them alot better.

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RE: Soon come Superstars. - mr.pure - 15-11-09

Fair dos to ya for coming in here and standing up for what you do.
I ain't a big fan but I admire you for having the balls to stand up and be counted amongst possibly your harshest critics.
Blue Plaque - bad.
Lack of stripes - bad.
Overall theme -weak.
Colours - quite tasty.
The design of the shoe comes across as a bit arrogant when I'd, for one, never heard of you.
But then, I ain't big on the artfag scene in general so that's no surprise.
I hope it works out for you and I look forward to hearing your criticism when I do a collab.

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RE: Soon come Superstars. - DasBill - 15-11-09

Aye respect where respects due, it is just the blue circle otherwise id buy em and put a few notes in yer wallet

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RE: Soon come Superstars. - GeeBee - 15-11-09

Now the details and iconography have been pointed out . . . as a supe representing London it's better than the travesty that was the 35th London. I don't think the blue plaque as the central theme is strong though, especially as those plaques are all over the gaff.

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RE: Soon come Superstars. - Samo - 15-11-09

The actual things that are icons are not as prominent as the the blue plaque that is not really an icon. Thats all im saying. If I was doing a London themed shoe it would be very different...

Like some of the others have said, hats off to you for coming here and talking about your design, and for not throwing your toys out of the pram when someone criticises it. I admit I have never heard of you untill I first saw these supes a while back. Do you have a website or something, I'd be curious to see some of your other work.

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RE: Soon come Superstars. - reid - 15-11-09

It's worth noting the blue plaque is a bit of a theme for Pochoir. Here's a picture from cans festival (the tunnel Banksy and some other artists did. Was an awesome collection down there):



So it's not purely the London thing with the plaque. Like if Kaws did a supe and it didn't have the skull.

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RE: Soon come Superstars. - mr.pure - 15-11-09

No offense but any numpty can cut out a stencil, it needs hard yards and style to be any good at graffiti.

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RE: Soon come Superstars. - Pochoir - 15-11-09

(15-11-09, 08:06 PM)GeeBee Wrote:  Must say fair play to you Pochoir for coming on here and discussing your design / inspiration etc.
Been a lot of times when peeps on here would like to say a thing or two to a supe designer. It's a passionate place.

Cheers, I really would not have worked on any other type of shoe, I have loved and worn only superstars (with one exception) since I was 12. I understand how important the superstar is and I did what I thought was best with it. I am really happy with it as I guess anyone on this site would be if they were given the chance to create their own ideal superstar. I didn't come on here to convince people to like it or buy it so any nasty comments don't really bother me. I honestly just thought, from my own experience that given the chance I would love ask one of the the 35th series designers (for example) about what they did and how they did it so dropped in to say hello.

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RE: Soon come Superstars. - reid - 15-11-09

(15-11-09, 09:09 PM)mr.pure Wrote:  No offense but any numpty can cut out a stencil, it needs hard yards and style to be any good at graffiti.

Like to disagree on that numpty stuff P. I accept there's way more skill in top level freehand stuff but dismissing stencils as unskilled is just ignorant. When you start getting up there in detail and layers it takes a real good eye to get things right, not forgetting mad patience (spent 20hrs+ hunched over the table cutting away at a one-shot piece before).

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RE: Soon come Superstars. - Pochoir - 15-11-09

(15-11-09, 09:09 PM)mr.pure Wrote:  No offense but any numpty can cut out a stencil, it needs hard yards and style to be any good at graffiti.

None taken but thats a bit like saying anyone can write 'R.Mutt' on a toilet or anyone can throw a shark in a tank. The "but anyone could have done that" argument is the default Daily Mail art critique. What sort of non stencil graffiti are you referring to that requires hard yards? Basquiat, Haring, Seen, wildstyle, subway, tagging?

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RE: Soon come Superstars. - mr.pure - 15-11-09

Basquiat and Haring weren't graffiti artists either.
Yeah, Seen, Dondi, Daim, people like that.

No need for the ignorant comment Reid, I didn't say there wasn't some skill involved in the planning of the higher end stuff but most of it isn't like that and at the end of the day, following a line with a scalpel doesn't exactly take training !
The vast majority of stencilling is rubbish, a bit like the incessant scratching on windows and toy tags all over the place.

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RE: Soon come Superstars. - reid - 15-11-09

(15-11-09, 09:44 PM)mr.pure Wrote:  The vast majority of stencilling is rubbish, a bit like the incessant scratching on windows and toy tags all over the place.

Gotta agree with that. Sorry if the ignorant bit came off a bit harsh, it just seemed like you were slamming the whole scene, not just the stormtroopers/banksy bites round town centres.

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RE: Soon come Superstars. - mr.pure - 15-11-09

Me ?
Never !



Got a lot of respect for the stuff Banksy's people create but it gets right on my tits when the lazy media and people who don't know their arse from their elbow call it graffiti.

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RE: Soon come Superstars. - Pochoir - 15-11-09

Basquiat's nickname was the 'graffiti child' and he painted 'Samo' all over New York. And here is a link to a pic of Haring painting a wall and Basquiat with a sprayed piece. http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/2008/12/graffiti_on_the_light_rail_hey.php Both began as graffiti writers/artists.

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RE: Soon come Superstars. - mr.pure - 15-11-09

Do me a favour !
If I put chicken tikka in the microwave, it doesn't make me a chef.
So they wrote their names on a wall a few times with a spraycan cos they saw the cool kids doing it, big fucking deal !
Don't be using the term "writers" in conjunction with them two, cos they most definitely weren't !

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