[bobby dassler]

Nah dre - you certainly don't owe the seller an apology!

Whether they're 2nds or fakes, they aren't what you thought you were paying for

But luckily as you said, you got your money back AND got to keep the trainers = result!

I'm not saying they're definately seconds (therefore real) - they probably are fake & your mate's right about the bape superstars - the fake "super ape stars" are getting nearer the real thing all the time (you can tell the difference once you've seen/touched a real pair though) so they could all be coming out of the same factory...

"I guess the number of stitches might also vary depending on size. I checked my own DMCs (size UK 11) and they do have 14 'full' stitches as the rest of my anniversary SS"

I've looked on other sites & found pictures of stitching on the DMCs heel tab that is similar to the Rocs aswell... so the stiching compared to size idea sounds like something we should b looking into!

As i said before - if they are fake (& it does seem that way due to the peeling stripes) then we've got to tighten our checks because they just look so spot on!

& it looks like the tell-tale signs of no lace locks on fakes is a thing of the past...

Anyway, welcome to the site dre - hopefully you'll spend as much time here as we all do!

1 last quote from dj_wildthing...

"Anyway, it seems you have some fakes that look good enough to be real and you got them for free, so just rock these babies hard!"

I totally agree m8!